Climate gab-fest kicks off

But don't expect anything important to be decided - these are just talks about talks, after all. Still, it's a nice jolly to Italy in the Northern hemisphere summer, where Rudd can pretend that he's important, rubbing shoulders with leaders of the other 16 countries in the Major Economies Forum. It doesn't change the fact that the whole thing is a pointless waste of effort, and spews more CO2 into the air than any agreement will probably ever save:

The MEF leaders will consider signing an agreement to stop global temperatures rising by more than two degrees Celsius, a level many scientists consider potentially disastrous for the environment.

The MEF, which includes emerging economies of China, India, South Africa, Mexico and Brazil as well as the powerful G8 members, will also be asked to back the "aspirational" goal of halving emissions by 2050.

But after holding talks in Berlin yesterday, Mr Rudd and Ms Merkel said while they hoped the MEF would make progress towards a global goal for reducing greenhouse gas emissions, it would be up to leaders at the United Nations climate change meeting in Copenhagen in December to sign off on a new pact to limit global emissions.

Mr Rudd said it was "highly unlikely" the MEF would come up with a detailed plan to slash emissions by a certain time.

"That is what Copenhagen is about," he said.

So what exactly is all this about? Answers on a postcard... no don't bother.

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